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I have a mini-rant about this post on [community profile] fanficrants  that really pissed me off. I should have replied but the OP got enough shit from everyone else. It wasn't so much a rant as her bragging she got Jonas Brother incest fic taken down from FF.net. And it's not that  I like Jonas Brother RPS or incest RPS. I don't. She said ALL RPF/RPS was the lowest form of fan fic and was nothing but the writer's masturbatory fantasy. No. Just no. Yeah, I know a lot people don't like it and it does seem to have a certain stigma attached compared to fic based on TV/movies/anime. I sure as hell never expected to be reading, let alone, writing it but it's not that. Yeah, my RPS hockey fics are smutty. Very smutty. But, I'd like to think they're about more than just sex. And if they aren't how are they any different than any of the fan fiction that's on AdultFanFiction.net? Or smut posted on LJ based on TV, movies or anime? Most of my old Hellsing fics are just as almost as smutty as my hockey fics. It just really irks me that she made a blanket statement about all RPS.

Date: 2008-08-09 04:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosehiptea.livejournal.com
That poster doesn't seem like the most mature person in the world, anyway.

I used to think RPS was kind of weird, but then I read some classic rock-based RPS that I really liked. I even thought of writing one but I gave up the idea because I didn't want to do the research I'd have to do.

Date: 2008-08-09 07:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kelles.livejournal.com
Yeah, they don't.

Believe me, I thought RPS was really weird until I read some good hockey RPS. Most of what I've read is good and not just sex. There's the violence, angst, and the power struggles because of the relationships. Also, awhile ago, I read some really good RP (het fic) of Def Leppard. The female OC was kind of Mary-Sue-ish but the story was really good.

Date: 2008-08-09 06:27 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ariyanaforever
The poster sounds like a mindless flamer. They didn't even realize why the fics got deleted on FFN. FFN does not allow RPF it had nothing to do with incest. That poster fails for that lack of knowledge alone. =/

Date: 2008-08-09 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kelles.livejournal.com
Yeah, I know. It wasn't so much a rant as an "aha, look what I did." And yes, they did fail on so many levels.

Date: 2008-08-09 11:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mr-mitts.livejournal.com
And if they aren't how are they any different than any of the fan fiction that's on AdultFanFiction.net?
Well, for one, you won't open it and find your son/daughter/mother/sister/you involved with having sex with someone you know/don't know/the author of the piece...

I'm curious as to how it can be justified however. I personally think they are the lowest form of fanfiction, and probably borderline illegal (I'd be appalled if I found people writing about me or my family in one if I became famous by some unnatural quirk of fate) but I'm not here to start an argument; I really am curious as to why you consider them acceptable. May I be enlightened?

Date: 2008-08-12 10:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kelles.livejournal.com
I don't think I got across what I was trying to say. The point I was trying to make is that mature/NC-17 fics based on a fictional fandom are as much fantasies as RPF. Of course, RPF are obviously different because they're based on a real life person or they can be set in the past (historical RPF). I can understand your feeling RPS/RPF because until recently I always thought they were kind of strange.

As far as they're legality, I'm not a lawyer so I don't know. I don't think regular fan fiction's legality has been established. There are some authors who don't permit fan fiction of their work (like Anne Rice and Laurell Hamilton). RPS/RPF fiction is not posted on sites like FF.net and not widely accessible. Most of the stories are posted on private message boards or communities and there are always disclaimers and warnings. One would have to go looking for it to find it. On the other hand, there are people who create facebook and myspace accounts pretending to be a celebrity. I think these are more illegal because they are pretending to be something they are not. I do know there is a popular LJ celebrity game that IS entirely legal but there are some celebrities that cannot be "played" because they have made it known they do not want other people playing them as part of a game. In the game, there are posts that could be considered mature. It is legal because there was some sort of legal action several years ago and the proper disclaimers were put up as part of the ruling.

As far as you being appalled, I agree some (maybe many) people would. In my opinion, I think RP mature fic of an underaged celebrity is wrong. But, not all people would be appalled at mature RP fic about adults. I know for a fact that a few of the athletes that are subjects in RPS fics, are aware of them and do not mind. They either like the idea or think it's funny. I've also heard more than once that members of rock bands had the same opinion of RPS fic about them and even read the fics.

My other part of the rant is that not all "real person" fics are rated mature. Some are rated G or PG. I have a hard time believing anyone could be offended by an innocent real person story that might have nothing to do with sex or sexuality and could be about friendship or humour.

My opinion about why they're okay? The stories (IMO) don't hurt anyone, disclaimers are put in place, and are not easy to find.

Date: 2008-08-13 12:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mr-mitts.livejournal.com
Thanks; it was interesting to see a differing point of view on that. I haven't seen that many real-person stories before and have never really seen it my problem to agree or disagree with them. Whatever floats one's boat, I suppose. I just dislike the idea of being written about (though I know it'd never happen), and wonder how it must be felt by people who never knew it had happened to them and may suddenly stumble upon it.

Did you defriend me because of this comment or something else?

Date: 2008-08-15 05:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kelles.livejournal.com
Sorry about that. I was feeling a little bit paranoid and I'll friended you back.

I think I have to take back what I said about the RPF not being found unless you're looking for it because today a baseball slash (incest) writer got outed by a major sports blog (http://deadspin.com/5037110/you-will-never-think-of-the-drew-brothers-the-same-way-again). In this case, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the athletes got really disturbed because the stories deal with underage incest which would freak almost anyone out. That is one line I'd never cross, either with real people or even fictional characters. But, it takes on a whole new level of wrongness with real people. It should be interesting to see how this all plays out and if any legal action is taken.

I can understand your POV and I think I'd probably feel really uncomfortable if I had happened upon stories about my kids. I think it depends on the sexual attitudes and whether or not the story involves something taboo like incest.

On a side note, recently, I started talking online with someone who personally knows a few subjects of my stories (a female ) and reads my fics. She's told them about my stories and they either think it's funny or like the idea in a pervy way. But, maybe hockey players are more open sexually or just perverted. It definitely freaked me out a little when she told me she read some of my stuff to one of the guys.

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